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I’ve made a structural error with these. By putting them all on the same page, I can’t see which ones are more popular.
When I first started running websites in the late 90s, the internet viewed non-nudity and violence as acceptable. Even slight nudity or adult topics tended to be instantly grouped as “porn”. It took years for any nuance to be accepted. That’s why my first adult-themed site was called “A Measure of Curiosity” and didn’t include any reference to nudity in the title. Times changed and the Internet got a little more intelligent over the next few years, and I opened a few more sites (most of them flopped).
Now I feel we are very much heading the other way.
For the longer form videos (multiple clips, some sort of theme etc.), I will use a video by/of you. For the short clips I use on X, male nudity doesn’t sell.
To be honest, it’s borderline impossible to balance the theme of this site with what is popular on social media. I’m sure I can do more with the narrated video format too, but I haven’t had time to script anything.
I’m more thinking which approach (so session content would tune to fit accordingly) is more appealing (for attracting people to take part).
I’ve been going through conversations with people who were interested in taking part but ultimately dropped out and there seems to be a gap between what I’m offering and what they want. Of course, people don’t tend to share what they want with me (if they even know).
No, I agree. We’re seeing it more and more often in politics. They group up the stuff they don’t like with topics which are social taboos (for good reason), to get what they want.
I still see it as a deliberate abuse of language. I fought this for years around 25 years ago and now here we are again. It’s depressing.
This one isn’t going away any time soon, is it? If you read “harmful” as “potentially dangerous”, it really highlights how ridiculous this use of language is.
The way the AI world is developing, I think the golden age is already past.
I need to set up a new desktop PC with huge memory and a couple of seriously powerful graphics cards so I can do the processing at home. It would be a lot slower but unlimited and unrestricted.
That would be too much work. I like the idea of using a difficulty icon.
I like that approach, but I need to assess the logistics. Re-organising the table could prove to be a nightmare.
I think the idea was to have another set of dares much more challenging than the current ones. The more I think about that, the less it sounds viable.
That’s a very good point about US law. I don’t know it, and if it varies from place to place in the US, we can’t possibly take it into account.
The other thing which has been suggested a few times is a table of dares for couples.
I keep getting suggestions via private messages.
Someone’s suggested adding a second table for “Advanced” dares or more daring stuff. Someone else suggested having separate UK and US tables to reflect the more restrictive legal setup in the US. I’m not sure if that complicates things more? I already receive photos with no username and no clear idea which dare they are being submitted for.
Hmmm, we need to whittle that down to 3-4. 12 is WAY too many.
This discussion was going really well. Where did everyone go?
I’m getting the feeling that this will become impossible in the next year or two.
Could be… but it’s hard to include the domain (which is the point of the video) without the word “naked”.
It seems Qwen has tightened its detection to the point where it false-posits almost every time, rendering it unusable. It just told me that the nudity in this photo is worthy of a “security warning” and says “The input image data may contain inappropriate content.”
Pollo rejects it too.
This is where details are important. There must be something in the photo to make it clear it’s a sporting venue.
I need to find some way to encourage people to fill out their profiles.
It’s common to see topless women on the beaches in South Wales (when it’s hot).
Anyone else going to comment?
We may have to specify what counts as a sports venue. I think having the name in view is a good idea.
In general, men seem pretty happy to attend a group of people they don’t know. Women are a LOT more wary.
It would help if people chatted more on here and got to know each other. That might also encourage people to travel further which makes sessions more likely as candidates are spread all over the country. It would make like so much easier if I could raise a monthly budget from community patrons so I can afford travel and accommodation to more distant places without having to charge participants. Renting a venue, a night or two’s stay in a hotel and petrol makes it impossible to not charge experiment participants, especially when the longer travel time (ie travelling up the afternoon before the experiment session) means taking time off work too.
If we had 10x as many patrons on average, it would make me a lot more flexible in both range and time.
I never actually saw the English version, but I did get the Welsh version 4 times over the next few hours. I had to factory reset the phone just to stop the alert playing again every time I rebooted (that and none of my apps would run).
Now they are arguing about whether it should have been English or Welsh first. How about we make the Welsh into actual Welsh first? How about the siren noise ramps up rather than going instantly full volume and scaring people? How about the Welsh version states that English will follow, to help avoid confusion? Sorry, just me ranting.
We’ve got hill fires around here again. People were watching fire progressing down the hillside towards their houses when the alert went off and spouted gibberish at them. Consequently loads of people phoned 999 because they thought it might be telling them to evacuate but couldn’t understand the garbled message (and didn’t know another would follow 10-15 minutes later).
Apparently, the government is now worried about the number of people switching the service off! How can they be surprised?
I know loads of people who were scared by the sudden sound, sometimes in really inappropriate situations. Surely it should start quietly and slowly ramp up?
- Park Bench
Very similar to Dare 7 (It’s actually mentioned in the definition of that one). - Balcony
Like this one. Could have some difficulties photographing it effectively, but it can be done. - Bridge
Dare 19 has a bridge in it – maybe it would be better to widen 19 to include this fully? - Cash machine
Like this one. - Clothes Recycling
Similar to Dare 5. Maybe in Dare 5 we should require being near something in the carpark? - Delivery Lockers
As these tend to be in public places (and seem to have 2-4 cameras on them), a good challenge. - Fire Escape
Not easy for lots of people, but good otherwise. Could be incorporated into the Balcony idea? - Golf Course
Are any of these public? Don’t want to encourage trespassing. - Hotel hallway
We should already have this one but we don’t. - Laundrette
Similar to Dare 21, but I like it. Also, it’s a classic. - Office
We did discuss “Naked in Work” as a dare a year or so ago. It got voted down. - Parking Meter
Sort of like Dare 6, but potentially in a more active location. - Post Box
Already included in Dare 6. - Vending Machine
Interesting. Wide range of difficulties there. - Windmill
There aren’t many of these around in the UK, but we still have them. And they have them in every US state, so most people should be able to find one. Would we include waterwheels in that too?
I wish I could use these to promote the community.
Obviously, it would be best if it was video clips of members being naked in various places and situations, but that’s a minefield, would be 90% male (which doesn’t market well on social media) and, situation wise, I think we’d struggle to come close to the variety.
It would be great if I could put the non-nude versions on YouTube but they have strict rules against using YouTube to promote other sites.
You may have forgotten to save it? Your profile is still blank.
There seems to be a pattern that the sound quality on Qwen videos gets worse during the day, but is better in the morning. I’m guessing that’s related to how busy their servers are? Anyone got any experience of this?
There’s no point wasting my daily allowance on crappy sound quality.
I should start rebuilding the experiment info pages, but life has been busy the past few days.
Any ideas, anyone?
I suspect thinking about different places to be naked is the wrong approach but I don’t want to rule it out.
Can you do different things/activities naked? Or maybe nudity with different people? (probably too difficult).
I’m still collecting these videos – not sure what to do with them.
I can’t produce videos with sound much anymore since Grok locked down, HF stopped supporting sound and Pollo went funny. Qwen still works but the sound quality is hugely variable. I find, often, the first video of the day has good sound, but any further ones are tinny and crackly.
Instead of my “do you think you could do it?” or “Do you want support to do it?” approach I’ve been using, I’m going to assume that everyone who applies both wants to get naked and believes they can. I’m going to focus instead on the safety and privacy offered, and the opportunity for a great experience.
It would be great to find people who want to get involved more than once, but even people who only want to do it once to tick an item off their bucket list will be most welcome.
Being told to do something (undress etc.) is important for lots of people. It’s nothing to do with submission (for most) but it gives you permission to act outside the normal. You don’t need to justify something if you are just doing as you are told.
Just done another, deeper test. If I upload any photo involving even slight nudity, Pollo rejects it – doesn’t matter what model I’m using.
I’ve tried starting with a Safe-for-work photo leading to an SFW video and that works. However, even a hint of an NSFW outcome (any nudity/partial nudity at all) and it’s rejected. My models of choice are Pollo 2.0 and Pollo 2.5 but they reject just as readily as the others I tried.
This is why I don’t give advice, at all, on the laws outside the UK. Obviously nothing said on this site should be taken as legal advice obviously, but I do point people towards the UK Police guidelines which give a pretty understandable breakdown of what the Police would do if called. If anyone has links to the same official advice for other countries/states, I’d be happy to consider adding those to the links page.
I anyways stress the importance of keeping things legal. That’s not going to change.
Petrol stations seem to suffer so much theft these days they need ANPR cameras and CCTV just to survive. I suppose the question is where does that CCTV go.
Maybe if you can find a small local station and tell them you need to do a dare, would they mind? The worst they can say is no. I don’t think you could get them to turn off the cameras though, but maybe they would hold yours?
I’ve found that well over half of the people I’ve interviewed prefer to be told to undress rather than volunteering. It comes back to the licence thing (where it’s not your responsibility if someone else told you to do it [yes, that’s an oversimplification!]).
I should do a wider poll on this as I suspect most of those who would be happy would not be offended if they were also told to undress.
The other thing I’m aware of, other than getting the new experiment format right, is presenting it accurately and clearly so everyone understands what I’m getting at. It’s worth spending the time to get it right.
I don’t think I’ll get away with that one again!
What do I have in mind for the experiments? Well, most people seem to be looking for opportunities to be naked. The problem with nudist events and activities (swims, yoga etc.) is it normalises nudity. Many people want interesting situations, challenges, the thrill/embarrassment of being the only one naked, or a push to be naked that they would not otherwise receive. There’s a huge range of motivations and I expect to develop many different forms of experiment session over time.
The most important thing is to get people taking part, everything else flows from that. So, to start things off, I’m focussing on an opportunity to be naked without jumping straight into WNBR or a mass skinny dip etc.
What I’ve been doing up to now sort of works, but not very well. I feel a change of approach is wise.
I’ve never ruled it out, but it’s never happened yet. Not having ever been to the US, I don’t feel familiar with laws, locations and transport.
So far, most people say they are willing to travel 10-25 miles. In reality, by the time you’ve got in a car or got to the train station, travelling another 10-15 minutes can add another 10+ miles to that.
I always offer (where reasonable) to collect people from train stations etc. and there have been situations where I’ve collected people from their house where is loosely on my route to the location.
The reason to be naked (or excuse for being naked) is a minor sticking point. Lots of people find it easier to be naked if it’s not their decision (ie it’s the rules, the social norm, or someone in authority has told them to undress). In my experience, lots of people want to experience being the only one naked but the usual routes to being naked in front of other people tend to only include social nudity.
Public nudity is too much of a challenge for most people I talk to. Lots like the “risk” of being caught or seen, but are scared of the implications if that came true.
WNBR gives a reason, a new social norm (we’re all naked and campaigning for a cause) and an opportunity. It even partially solves the public nudity thing by allowing you to feel like part of a crowd instead of the centre of attention.
Normalising nudity and gradually building confidence have a clear place, but it’s hard to do that within the timeframe of an experiment session.
Most people can attend a naked indoor activity, but those I’ve spoken to very much want to step outside the social norms, to experience one-sided nudity etc.
It’s much more complicated than I would have thought when I came into this years ago.
More moving from introducing nudity, to giving people a situation (or permission, if you prefer) to be naked in. Somewhere safe and secure. Most of the people who express an interest in being naked want a way of being naked in front of other people. The confidence to be naked isn’t the problem, but they lack the opportunity.
Several women here have male profiles. Also, I know some women from other places who visit regular but refuse to sign up for an account here.
More photos posted on the results table!
No, I meant like the MDL, a sort of list of sports to do nude, not a section in the forums.
I’ve added that one already – more to come soon.
I wonder if a catch-all naked sport dare would work best?
Or maybe sport should be another part of the site in its own right?
I’m trying to avoid requiring videos (storage limitations). I thought doors-shut is a little more daring as you don’t know if someone has arrived outside. With the doors open, you could just run in, take the photo and leave. Doors-shut is more of a commitment.
Because the site is in the UK, I have to age check everyone. It’s like running a pub, they still age-check Americans. I’m assuming that Patreon has to comply in the same way, but I don’t know. That’s why I’m trying to find out what the set up is there.
I guess the question all of this raises is: If Patreon are age-checking my Patreon page, do I need to do age-verification myself?
It would certainly make it easier if Patreon were doing it.
Distance you’re prepared to travel is a good idea.
How many of you would be interested in sending in a “Naked by a Statue” photo?
Also, how many want to send a “Naked in a Lift” photo?
Is With a Statue too similar to the existing “Naked by a Traffic Light”? It’s kind of just another naked by a thing. The traffic light one takes you to a place. I’ve been wondering if “In front of a supermarket” and “Outside a pub or bar” are too similar to each other?
They can’t be anything other than optional fields. As new signups don’t take place on the site, I get no control over that.
That’s three people adding dares in the last two days. And I know there are more photos to come!
More updates to the MDL results table and MORE to come imminently!
It’s great to see it so active. And we finally have a decent amount of female participation.
To add more detail. Between 12th April and 19th April, daily traffic to the NE page on Patreon collapsed from 2100+ (sometimes much higher) to around 400-500 visits per week. It hasn’t gone back up. Something changed…
Did a couple of age verifications yesterday (Tuesday) but missed a couple of people. Today, however, none at all. Haven’t seen anyone and I’ve been here all morning.
Patreon has never told me anything. Nothing on my account (from my view via a VPN) says NSFW.
What I noticed first was a 2/3rds sudden and ongoing drop in traffic to the Patreon page a couple of weeks ago. That prompted me to investigate further.
I’m not aware of any NSFW content in the chats (I’ve always deleted that ASAP).
Also, when I visit it from the UK, no age verification.
Well that was a weird one. The first person I’ve age-verified today didn’t want to join NE at all (and had never heard of it!). That was a waste of time.
That’s the first time I’ve age-verified someone who had no interest in being verified or joining the community.
It just says IP6 not supported for me.
Also, whether or not my account has been changed to NSFW doesn’t vary by country. The way Patreon reacts to the status will change by visitor location, but that doesn’t change the account status.
I was just using the free VPN in Opera. It doesn’t tell me which state it uses. But it does do the same when I set it to Europe.
Done 🙂
Getting there slowly…
I’ve never set my Patreon account to NSFW myself because I’ve been very careful to not post any NSFW content there, and have followed their rules in detail.
If my account is now NSFW, I’m worried as I cannot comply with their NSFW rules. Also, it probably accounts for the fall in new patrons as Patreon will restrict showing the account to a much smaller group.
Because of the nudity in the illustration, the article is behind the age-verification wall.
Seven votes almost immediately is great. Anyone else going to vote?
Thank you. In a way, I feel like I’m overdue for some good look, but considering I survived my surgery back in November, I really can’t complain. I’m just happy to still be here.
Years ago, I wondered about dividing the country into regions and then getting everyone to say which one they are in so we could organise some meetups, experiments etc., but it quickly turned out everyone has hugely different distances they are willing to travel.
Later I added location (nearest town I believe) to profiles so everyone would be able to get some idea of house close people are but that met with limited success. Also, had some people from the US upset that I was not willing to run experiment sessions in the US.
I’m still looking for a solution to the meeting up thing but not found one yet.
So, should I set up a poll to decide if we add the “Naked in a Lift” dare?
You would have to time it well, as I’m guessing hotel lifts tend to be quite busy?
That’s an excellent idea for an article – MDL advice.
Checking locations out in advance in critical and can avoid a whole host of issues.
Wait until they routinely get AI watching all the CCTV all the time. Every time you do anything which could be construed as “suspicious” or out of the ordinary, a report will be sent.
As the cost of surveillance decreases, surveillance will expand. It’s already happened massively in the past few decades (more than most people notice). I can’t see that slowing down.
Too risky?
I think you’d need to know them somewhat better before you can approach that one. I’m not sure how you’d work it into a casual conversation otherwise.
If anyone can help with that, please let me know.
I suspect, in most buildings, that CCTV is recorded but not monitored. I would imagine that if no crime/problem is reported to management, that recording will be automatically deleted after a few days (I think the normal maximum is 30 days).
It comes down to, there is CCTV (assuming it’s working) but is anyone going to look at the stored video?
I haven’t thought of any additions, but I do feel more inclined to add more (if I can think of any!).
What would everyone think of a “Naked in a Lift” dare on the list?
In one way, it doesn’t sound that daring, BUT it does introduce its own set of challenges.
Do the illustration pictures look okay?
THat’s good to hear!
Any sensible reply or contribution (eg photos etc), always help, but asking for advice or asking a question tends to stimulate more people into replying. More people replying on more topics would probably be the biggest help so it catches the interest of the widest spread of people.
Ultimately, we need to get enough activity going that it gets more people visiting more frequently. It’s a matter of getting current members back into the habit of visiting at least once per day. That gets replies and other interaction going faster. Until a few weeks ago, there often wasn’t much point visiting 2-4 times per day and nothing would have changed. In the same way, if you posted anything there would often be no reply for hours.
It’s all a matter of momentum.
For the past 4 days, I haven’t checked it once and been the only one on the site. Sometimes it has been just me and one other but there have been many instances where there have been 3-5 others online. The server stats confirm that visitors, especially registered ones, are here more often.
Here’s hoping that is the start of an ongoing improvement! Keep it up, everyone!
To be honest, I would not promote that as a wise move. It’s a huge grey area, obviously, but it could make photos MUCH more searchable by Google etc.
Yes, I added the badges last thing last night, but didn’t have time to announce them.
More updates to the table BUT no updates badge yet. I will work on that soon.
I was wondering about an “updated” badge beside the person with added photos?
Sorry, I ran out of time yesterday. Something important came up but I’m hoping to get all 5 photos (not just yours!) added today.
That’s fine.
I can add a form like the one on the old site, but it’s a LOT of work and persuading anyone to fill it in is bordering on futile. I tried for a while on the old site after we’d moved over to Patreon and the success rate was less than 2%.
There’s no way of doing it when using Patreon for signups. Patreon’s system completely bypasses the profile form. It’s annoying but Patreon has saved us from SO many spam signups it’s been a massive help.
I’ve tried Pollo 2.0 and Pollo 2.5 (both ones I’d used many times before). Both consistently resist nudity for me. They just give me a warning and refund my credits.
I’ve tried a variety of nude photos (or lightly dressed) and any nudity in the input or output is being flagged up and the points refunded.
Which model are you using?
I know the US is much more restrictive on nudity. That’s why the notes about not breaking your local laws on the MDL list etc.
- Park Bench