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I wish I could use these to promote the community.
Obviously, it would be best if it was video clips of members being naked in various places and situations, but that’s a minefield, would be 90% male (which doesn’t market well on social media) and, situation wise, I think we’d struggle to come close to the variety.
It would be great if I could put the non-nude versions on YouTube but they have strict rules against using YouTube to promote other sites.
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There seems to be a pattern that the sound quality on Qwen videos gets worse during the day, but is better in the morning. I’m guessing that’s related to how busy their servers are? Anyone got any experience of this?
There’s no point wasting my daily allowance on crappy sound quality.
I should start rebuilding the experiment info pages, but life has been busy the past few days.
Any ideas, anyone?
I suspect thinking about different places to be naked is the wrong approach but I don’t want to rule it out.
Can you do different things/activities naked? Or maybe nudity with different people? (probably too difficult).
I’m still collecting these videos – not sure what to do with them.
I can’t produce videos with sound much anymore since Grok locked down, HF stopped supporting sound and Pollo went funny. Qwen still works but the sound quality is hugely variable. I find, often, the first video of the day has good sound, but any further ones are tinny and crackly.
Instead of my “do you think you could do it?” or “Do you want support to do it?” approach I’ve been using, I’m going to assume that everyone who applies both wants to get naked and believes they can. I’m going to focus instead on the safety and privacy offered, and the opportunity for a great experience.
It would be great to find people who want to get involved more than once, but even people who only want to do it once to tick an item off their bucket list will be most welcome.
Being told to do something (undress etc.) is important for lots of people. It’s nothing to do with submission (for most) but it gives you permission to act outside the normal. You don’t need to justify something if you are just doing as you are told.
Just done another, deeper test. If I upload any photo involving even slight nudity, Pollo rejects it – doesn’t matter what model I’m using.
I’ve tried starting with a Safe-for-work photo leading to an SFW video and that works. However, even a hint of an NSFW outcome (any nudity/partial nudity at all) and it’s rejected. My models of choice are Pollo 2.0 and Pollo 2.5 but they reject just as readily as the others I tried.
This is why I don’t give advice, at all, on the laws outside the UK. Obviously nothing said on this site should be taken as legal advice obviously, but I do point people towards the UK Police guidelines which give a pretty understandable breakdown of what the Police would do if called. If anyone has links to the same official advice for other countries/states, I’d be happy to consider adding those to the links page.
I anyways stress the importance of keeping things legal. That’s not going to change.
Petrol stations seem to suffer so much theft these days they need ANPR cameras and CCTV just to survive. I suppose the question is where does that CCTV go.
Maybe if you can find a small local station and tell them you need to do a dare, would they mind? The worst they can say is no. I don’t think you could get them to turn off the cameras though, but maybe they would hold yours?
I’ve found that well over half of the people I’ve interviewed prefer to be told to undress rather than volunteering. It comes back to the licence thing (where it’s not your responsibility if someone else told you to do it [yes, that’s an oversimplification!]).
I should do a wider poll on this as I suspect most of those who would be happy would not be offended if they were also told to undress.
The other thing I’m aware of, other than getting the new experiment format right, is presenting it accurately and clearly so everyone understands what I’m getting at. It’s worth spending the time to get it right.
I don’t think I’ll get away with that one again!
What do I have in mind for the experiments? Well, most people seem to be looking for opportunities to be naked. The problem with nudist events and activities (swims, yoga etc.) is it normalises nudity. Many people want interesting situations, challenges, the thrill/embarrassment of being the only one naked, or a push to be naked that they would not otherwise receive. There’s a huge range of motivations and I expect to develop many different forms of experiment session over time.
The most important thing is to get people taking part, everything else flows from that. So, to start things off, I’m focussing on an opportunity to be naked without jumping straight into WNBR or a mass skinny dip etc.
What I’ve been doing up to now sort of works, but not very well. I feel a change of approach is wise.
I’ve never ruled it out, but it’s never happened yet. Not having ever been to the US, I don’t feel familiar with laws, locations and transport.
So far, most people say they are willing to travel 10-25 miles. In reality, by the time you’ve got in a car or got to the train station, travelling another 10-15 minutes can add another 10+ miles to that.
I always offer (where reasonable) to collect people from train stations etc. and there have been situations where I’ve collected people from their house where is loosely on my route to the location.
The reason to be naked (or excuse for being naked) is a minor sticking point. Lots of people find it easier to be naked if it’s not their decision (ie it’s the rules, the social norm, or someone in authority has told them to undress). In my experience, lots of people want to experience being the only one naked but the usual routes to being naked in front of other people tend to only include social nudity.
Public nudity is too much of a challenge for most people I talk to. Lots like the “risk” of being caught or seen, but are scared of the implications if that came true.
WNBR gives a reason, a new social norm (we’re all naked and campaigning for a cause) and an opportunity. It even partially solves the public nudity thing by allowing you to feel like part of a crowd instead of the centre of attention.
Normalising nudity and gradually building confidence have a clear place, but it’s hard to do that within the timeframe of an experiment session.
Most people can attend a naked indoor activity, but those I’ve spoken to very much want to step outside the social norms, to experience one-sided nudity etc.
It’s much more complicated than I would have thought when I came into this years ago.
More moving from introducing nudity, to giving people a situation (or permission, if you prefer) to be naked in. Somewhere safe and secure. Most of the people who express an interest in being naked want a way of being naked in front of other people. The confidence to be naked isn’t the problem, but they lack the opportunity.
Several women here have male profiles. Also, I know some women from other places who visit regular but refuse to sign up for an account here.
More photos posted on the results table!
No, I meant like the MDL, a sort of list of sports to do nude, not a section in the forums.
I’ve added that one already – more to come soon.
I wonder if a catch-all naked sport dare would work best?
Or maybe sport should be another part of the site in its own right?
I’m trying to avoid requiring videos (storage limitations). I thought doors-shut is a little more daring as you don’t know if someone has arrived outside. With the doors open, you could just run in, take the photo and leave. Doors-shut is more of a commitment.
Because the site is in the UK, I have to age check everyone. It’s like running a pub, they still age-check Americans. I’m assuming that Patreon has to comply in the same way, but I don’t know. That’s why I’m trying to find out what the set up is there.
I guess the question all of this raises is: If Patreon are age-checking my Patreon page, do I need to do age-verification myself?
It would certainly make it easier if Patreon were doing it.
Distance you’re prepared to travel is a good idea.
How many of you would be interested in sending in a “Naked by a Statue” photo?
Also, how many want to send a “Naked in a Lift” photo?
Is With a Statue too similar to the existing “Naked by a Traffic Light”? It’s kind of just another naked by a thing. The traffic light one takes you to a place. I’ve been wondering if “In front of a supermarket” and “Outside a pub or bar” are too similar to each other?
They can’t be anything other than optional fields. As new signups don’t take place on the site, I get no control over that.
That’s three people adding dares in the last two days. And I know there are more photos to come!
More updates to the MDL results table and MORE to come imminently!
It’s great to see it so active. And we finally have a decent amount of female participation.
To add more detail. Between 12th April and 19th April, daily traffic to the NE page on Patreon collapsed from 2100+ (sometimes much higher) to around 400-500 visits per week. It hasn’t gone back up. Something changed…
Did a couple of age verifications yesterday (Tuesday) but missed a couple of people. Today, however, none at all. Haven’t seen anyone and I’ve been here all morning.
Patreon has never told me anything. Nothing on my account (from my view via a VPN) says NSFW.
What I noticed first was a 2/3rds sudden and ongoing drop in traffic to the Patreon page a couple of weeks ago. That prompted me to investigate further.
I’m not aware of any NSFW content in the chats (I’ve always deleted that ASAP).
Also, when I visit it from the UK, no age verification.
Well that was a weird one. The first person I’ve age-verified today didn’t want to join NE at all (and had never heard of it!). That was a waste of time.
That’s the first time I’ve age-verified someone who had no interest in being verified or joining the community.
It just says IP6 not supported for me.
Also, whether or not my account has been changed to NSFW doesn’t vary by country. The way Patreon reacts to the status will change by visitor location, but that doesn’t change the account status.
I was just using the free VPN in Opera. It doesn’t tell me which state it uses. But it does do the same when I set it to Europe.
Done 🙂
Getting there slowly…
I’ve never set my Patreon account to NSFW myself because I’ve been very careful to not post any NSFW content there, and have followed their rules in detail.
If my account is now NSFW, I’m worried as I cannot comply with their NSFW rules. Also, it probably accounts for the fall in new patrons as Patreon will restrict showing the account to a much smaller group.
Because of the nudity in the illustration, the article is behind the age-verification wall.
Seven votes almost immediately is great. Anyone else going to vote?
Thank you. In a way, I feel like I’m overdue for some good look, but considering I survived my surgery back in November, I really can’t complain. I’m just happy to still be here.
Years ago, I wondered about dividing the country into regions and then getting everyone to say which one they are in so we could organise some meetups, experiments etc., but it quickly turned out everyone has hugely different distances they are willing to travel.
Later I added location (nearest town I believe) to profiles so everyone would be able to get some idea of house close people are but that met with limited success. Also, had some people from the US upset that I was not willing to run experiment sessions in the US.
I’m still looking for a solution to the meeting up thing but not found one yet.
So, should I set up a poll to decide if we add the “Naked in a Lift” dare?
You would have to time it well, as I’m guessing hotel lifts tend to be quite busy?
That’s an excellent idea for an article – MDL advice.
Checking locations out in advance in critical and can avoid a whole host of issues.
Wait until they routinely get AI watching all the CCTV all the time. Every time you do anything which could be construed as “suspicious” or out of the ordinary, a report will be sent.
As the cost of surveillance decreases, surveillance will expand. It’s already happened massively in the past few decades (more than most people notice). I can’t see that slowing down.
Too risky?
I think you’d need to know them somewhat better before you can approach that one. I’m not sure how you’d work it into a casual conversation otherwise.
If anyone can help with that, please let me know.
I suspect, in most buildings, that CCTV is recorded but not monitored. I would imagine that if no crime/problem is reported to management, that recording will be automatically deleted after a few days (I think the normal maximum is 30 days).
It comes down to, there is CCTV (assuming it’s working) but is anyone going to look at the stored video?
I haven’t thought of any additions, but I do feel more inclined to add more (if I can think of any!).
What would everyone think of a “Naked in a Lift” dare on the list?
In one way, it doesn’t sound that daring, BUT it does introduce its own set of challenges.
Do the illustration pictures look okay?
THat’s good to hear!
Any sensible reply or contribution (eg photos etc), always help, but asking for advice or asking a question tends to stimulate more people into replying. More people replying on more topics would probably be the biggest help so it catches the interest of the widest spread of people.
Ultimately, we need to get enough activity going that it gets more people visiting more frequently. It’s a matter of getting current members back into the habit of visiting at least once per day. That gets replies and other interaction going faster. Until a few weeks ago, there often wasn’t much point visiting 2-4 times per day and nothing would have changed. In the same way, if you posted anything there would often be no reply for hours.
It’s all a matter of momentum.
For the past 4 days, I haven’t checked it once and been the only one on the site. Sometimes it has been just me and one other but there have been many instances where there have been 3-5 others online. The server stats confirm that visitors, especially registered ones, are here more often.
Here’s hoping that is the start of an ongoing improvement! Keep it up, everyone!
To be honest, I would not promote that as a wise move. It’s a huge grey area, obviously, but it could make photos MUCH more searchable by Google etc.
Yes, I added the badges last thing last night, but didn’t have time to announce them.
More updates to the table BUT no updates badge yet. I will work on that soon.
I was wondering about an “updated” badge beside the person with added photos?
Sorry, I ran out of time yesterday. Something important came up but I’m hoping to get all 5 photos (not just yours!) added today.
That’s fine.
I can add a form like the one on the old site, but it’s a LOT of work and persuading anyone to fill it in is bordering on futile. I tried for a while on the old site after we’d moved over to Patreon and the success rate was less than 2%.
There’s no way of doing it when using Patreon for signups. Patreon’s system completely bypasses the profile form. It’s annoying but Patreon has saved us from SO many spam signups it’s been a massive help.
I’ve tried Pollo 2.0 and Pollo 2.5 (both ones I’d used many times before). Both consistently resist nudity for me. They just give me a warning and refund my credits.
I’ve tried a variety of nude photos (or lightly dressed) and any nudity in the input or output is being flagged up and the points refunded.
Which model are you using?
I know the US is much more restrictive on nudity. That’s why the notes about not breaking your local laws on the MDL list etc.
As I’ve heard nothing, I have to assume that no-one has any problems with it. Cool!
Did that work for everyone?
I know these have faced mixed responses but I’m going to keep posting them until they’re all used up. They were fun to create, especially the humorous clip and I’m sure it would have been amazing to create much longer clips with full nudity had that been financially viable.
No rain here Sunday and today (Monday) but the wind is cool. The only problem really is that the grass has dried out now so my wife expects me to get the lawnmower out.
Sorry for the delay but I had to research and install a replacement gallery system (as the old NextGen gallery plugin has never been fixed). The first photoset is now up for age-verified patrons here.
I can’t believe we’re back into coats (for the cold as much as the heavy rain). We’re well into June and getting weather more suited to the start of April. I can see why they’ve stopped predicting that this summer will be a hot one.
Activity is still slow, but I should be around more for the next few days so I’ll try to get the momentum going a bit. Part of this will include posting more bonus content.
I’ll try to get something posted tomorrow content-wise. Not sure what it will be, but Friday is a relatively free day for me.
For fairness, I should point out that nudity is legal on UK beaches, and there are many nude resorts here too.
It would be a fantastic achievement. I’m guessing 3 men and 3 women would make it worthwhile. Locations have to be scouted in advance, so that complicates things a little. I can think of a few suitable general locations. We’d also need a 7-seater (at least) or a minibus. I’d probably need some kind of assistant given the much less controlled environment.
Any such group would almost certainly be entirely male.
It’s hard enough to organise a group in the UK. Most beaches in France are clothing optional, but start waving a camera around and you become very unwelcome very quickly. I can’t comment on Spain as I haven’t been there in decades.
I struggle to persuade people to travel a few tens of miles, let alone hundreds (I’ve genuinely had people as me if we can do an experiment session in their house!). In my experience, most people want to fit an experiment session in a day off work or sometimes just a morning, something they can keep lowkey and away from their friends and family. Going abroad for a few days is much harder. Persuading women (who tend to be much more wary of experiment sessions anyway) to travel abroad with a group they don’t know would be a serious challenge.
I don’t understand the “sense of violence” idea. Am I missing something there?
I don’t have any content that is harmful or depicting sexual acts.
I could do that. I think my main worry is regulars on this site complaining that one or the other (or both) are just not appropriate to the subject of this community.
We’re back up to just over 50% now, but things are still going slowly.
I definitely believe more content for patrons is the way to go. And more posts on our Patreon page too.
Which would fit better, photosets from A-M-O-C or strip games from SGC?
Hmmm, hasn’t worked yet.
Lol, would be nice if it did. I still need to find something that does.
Maybe the temperature drop and heavy rain will drive more people inside and lead to more interaction?
Thank you :). I wish more people did.
Everything is growing faster too because of the healthier level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Sorry, I meant here on the site. The content would have to be in the Patreon-controlled area to influence new Patreon sign-ups.
I’m guessing the easing back of the temperatures makes it safer/more comfortable to get outside naked now?
No?
They started up again today. It doesn’t matter how many attempt they make to crack a password when the username used doesn’t exist!
I’m wondering if concentrating on new content here would help?
I do get a little cheesed off by this “Hottest day of the year recorded/predicted” style headlines. I don’t know if the news people don’t understand seasons but as we leave the winter and head into the summer there is a general trend of getting warmer.
We never see “Coldest day of the year recorded” in early January!