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Also, I thought it would be an interesting and fun way to raise some points, causes a smile or two and highlight some nudity-related issues.
My fundamental problem is it’s that video content or no video content. The community has had a lot more visitors when I’ve got some videos to post on social media etc. (about 3x). I haven’t posted any for a few weeks now and traffic is way down again.
Just male nudity puts people off the site. Male video content is not popular. Also, too much male-only content puts women off staying here. It’s near impossible to get women to post and, often, when they do they ask me to remove what they’ve posted within a few weeks.
Fundamentally, I don’t have the budget to make this work and I’m not going to get the budget while it’s not working. I don’t know how to get out of that vicious circle…
I think that suggestion could work. My only reservation is that we had something quite similar before the Master Dare List (Weekly Dare Challenge) but it was a lot of work. I used to receive a lot of PMs and e-mails from people demanding to know why the threads had been locked (even though it said at the bottom of each thread), and when they weren’t locked, it was difficult to keep track of all the submissions (and to stop people posting stuff nicked from the web). The MDL was designed to solve the problems suffered by the weekly challenge.
Also, I’m not here consistently. Most days I’m around several times in the day, but I occasionally have weeks when I’ve got no time available. If we did it in some way where the weeks don’t have to be consecutive, that could work?
I’ve had two days now of a zero limit (ie not even one picture generation) on Grok. With the two others I use too, I’m getting enough credits to produce 4 videos per day, in total. With that limit, I’ll struggle to get one finished video per day out of it.
With at best unclear levels of interest in the results, it was fun while it lasted, but I can’t see a future in these. I was looking forward to being to produce videos of many and varied nudity-including situations. One idea was to create a second Patreon account for just the videos but I just don’t think enough people are interested for such a channel to be viable (the cost would far outweigh the turnover).
I’m not sure what’s changed but in the past two days, I’ve been finding that the generation limits on almost all the generators has drastically dropped. Instead of getting 25-40 (ish) goes per day, I’m lucky to get 3 now. Grok is only allowing me to do ONE per day.
Developing new techniques and better output is going to go REALLY slowly while that’s in place. Maybe I’ve hit some monthly limit as well as the daily limits, but it’s also possible they’ve all cut the freebies they offer permanently.
I’ve got a few clip videos in reserve but producing new ones isn’t really viable now.
The old site had many regulars who interacted frequently. There were hundreds of other visitors, but it had a strong core of frequent posters. Our current site gets nearly as many “other” visitors but has been less effective at persuading people to sign up for a free account. However, the worst thing is we’ve lost the majority of the posting regulars.
Some of that is the age-verification, but many left before that was introduced.
It wasn’t all that long ago (before the last site revamp) that we had 12 forums.
The links are not active yet. I’ve got about 20 pages to create it was only in the past 2 days that we’ve got the age-restriction system working again. Until then, I didn’t even know if it was possible. There is a message at the top of the page saying that not all the links work yet.
I’m away for the majority of this weekend and next week is really busy. I reckon I’ve got about 4-5 full days of solid work to build all the necessary pages and then some more time to check and test everything thoroughly. For some participants, I’ve got 30 photos to post and half of those will need censoring.
I still haven’t had replies from many of the participants regarding permission to post their results. What you see on the table so far is just those who have replied, so far.
I’ve just been looking through some of the video clips which didn’t go so well. Most were just junk and didn’t get saved, but a few are hilarious and I kept them. Having seen the collection all at once, it’s great fun. I might do a video of all those clips too, like a sort of bloopers real.
And have I missed any age-verified members in the conversion to the new setup?
It really looks like this finally works properly. Thanks, everyone. It’s much more thorough than just me testing it.
There are also a couple more NSFW ones too. It’s really hard to measure the level of interest in any of these.
That is great to hear. Thanks for checking. 🙂
No. Haven’t had time to work on it. I also haven’t worked on any clips this week. I’ve got a few “Flicking Channels” videos in reserve but there hasn’t been huge demand for them. Comedy has been more prevalent in the most recent ones but I haven’t put them up yet.
I’m getting the feeling that to progress further (done around 200 successful clips now – and no I haven’t posted them all). I think to progress further I need higher-resolution generation and access to unmoderated nudity. I have no way to know how popular that would be??
Well they’re both faulty. The NSFW videos page doesn’t work. The “What’s the problem…” page isn’t set up properly and isn’t age-verified. If I turn age verification on for it, it instantly develops the same issue as the videos page. The system used to work, the only clash I got before was where I wanted age-verified and patron-only at the same time.
To make things more fun, I’m quite busy this week so I don’t have much time to work on this.
The Patreon plugin works fine for pages but I don’t use it for age verification. I don’t know how I could do that. The age verification is done manually by me. Unless you are added to the verified group, you can’t see the age-restricted content. Essentially the two systems are pretty much separate.
Patreon only allows restricting by Patreon level (ie fee paid). I don’t think they know your age or give me access to that data (which they probably don’t have themselves). I’ve never been aged-checked by Patreon.
It seems the age-verification protection only works in the forums. I can’t get it to work with pages.
It was discussed but I haven’t taken anything away. Also, since we’ve added censored photos as an option there’s not so much reason not to publish (face can still be censored as before).
I get “not authorised” errors when I try to view age-verified pages. The forums work fine.
I haven’t set up any of the MDL links yet, until I get the age-verification working properly.
Don’t forget your photos only get published if you give permission. You can still take part without publishing. Or you can have ONLY censored published, or ONLY uncensored published. It’s entirely up to you.
The main results page is essentially active now but I’m not ready with the photos. The nude photos will be in the age-verified area but I’m still undecided on putting censored versions in the public area.
One more thing, is humour a good thing for this? (like the failed cartwheel)
I don’t know if it makes it more memorable and engaging or just detracts from the key message?
Is the “Naked” pronunciation problem getting better in more recent videos?
That’s fair enough. I’m certainly not making any demands. This is all voluntary.
Not really. That’s why I’m focusing my efforts on getting people to visit the site.
If any of you know anyone who was on the old MDL, please contact them. Most of the people who didn’t make it from the old MDL to the new one didn’t reply to any of my messages/e-mails.
If anyone knows how to get real women talking about their experiences on video, please let me know. I haven’t found a single woman so far who is willing to have photos/videos published, even with a face blurred.
Also, blurred face videos are much less effective at attracting attention.
One thing I have learned from many years of experience is that men do not sell the site. I need a minimum 50/50 split of female to male.Another thing I’ve learned from experience, using real people is a nightmare. If I use three people (assuming I could get three volunteers in the first place) then within 12 months one of them would be demanding I cut their section from the video.
I’m stuck in a vicious circle here. The site desperately needs more people to be viable. These videos seem to have roughly doubled our visitors lately (it’s hard to be sure as I’m also pursuing 4-5 other promotion methods too). None of the current female members are willing to appear in videos/photos anyway. If I produce a video of just men talking, it simply will not work.
I’ve closed almost all my other sites in the past few months. I’m seriously considering shutting everything down and giving up.
The only reason there seems to be a focus on the generated videos is that nothing else gets much interaction. I try to start something like 10 conversations a week in the forums. Most of those are just me, nobody else joins in. I get no comments on most of the naked videos I post, and they rarely trigger a conversation. I’ve been trying not to post AMOC and SGC content (which I have a HUGE amount of) because I don’t think it suits the site any longer. If anyone posts in the forums, I try to reply, but it feels like no matter what I do, the momentum just isn’t there any more.
Building the Master Dare List has been a massive job (and still is) but it’s hard to be enthusiastic when I can’t see any interest in it. My main focus is the experiments (more coming soon) and getting more people to find the site. I stopped posting generated videos in the forums a couple of weeks ago, but now activity in the forums has dropped off a cliff too.
I’ve tried getting some sort of discussion going about how to handle the MDL, but no-one’s interested. I tried discussions on si
Have I missed anything out from the latest promo video?
In case you’re wondering why the resolution of the clips varies, I’m using a combination of several AI systems to generate them. They all produce different resolutions and frame rates.
That sounds like a good plan! 🙂
I find it’s worth clearly stating the accent you want (probably for each speaker separately). I usually end up defining everything. Leaving anything to chance more often than not produces random nonsense. One thing I’ve found almost impossible is having characters where one has one accent and the other one has another. The only way to do it seems to be separate clips using the final frame of one as the start of the next.
Voice intonation is hard to control, and not consistent. Also, when you’ve been trying to get a motion to work over 6-8 tries and when it finally works, the speech isn’t quite perfect, unless it’s unacceptable, I’m not going to keep trying.
I’m hoping to have the first NSFW Flicking Channels video ready later today. I should stress it won’t be full-on nudity (which is where I’m aiming to go) but the clips where there is unintentional nudity (where the AI made a mistake), such as missing clothing, nip-slips etc. There will be occasional full-frontal nudity in them but not a lot.
If I used the word “naked” in the script, it increases the chance of being “moderated” hugely. The silly thing is the AI is fully aware of what I’m trying to get the “actors” to say but there seems to be some sort of simply keyword filter which doesn’t get it. The moderation is clearly a multi-level filter system.
What’s amazing is that sometimes the clip I’m prompting doesn’t include any problem words or obscured nudity and the AI produces full frontal nudity. It’s rare, but it happens. The filters are not very accurate.
I’m doing a range of things to increase the number of visitors to this community and the first promo video seemed to cause an upward bump in the figures. I probably shouldn’t be so lacking in confidence that the new one is both better and doesn’t require any changes. I’ll try it instead of the first one.
Sadly not quite gaining momentum, but I verified one person per day for the past three days so it hasn’t stopped. I try to be online regularly every weekday morning. I’m on at many other times too, but I figure a regular window gives everyone a target to aim for. The problem is life is busy and, as I’m still very much recovering I have a couple of medical appointments each week and they tend to be in the morning.
It will get better, as will I.
Well, you’ve probably noticed two more additions to the Master Dare List results table, but sadly we lost a LOT of participants in the site move.
I’ve updated the results page a few times recently and have been working on how to display the photos etc. Obviously, any nudity must be behind the age-verification wall, but I’m keeping the results completely free (ie not Patrons only). It looks like the best way will be to have a results page per participant.
Any opinions at all?
Just uploaded another “Flicking Channels” video on the dedicated page:
I won’t be posting them directly in the forum.
I’m wondering about adding Opera to the links page. Given the OSA here in the UK, I suspect it would be useful for many people.
Better? Worse?
Here’s the second version:
If I had a proper budget, I could do this SO much better. Working in FullHD (for the original clips and images) would enhance the finished image quality hugely and make it much harder to tell it’s generated and not real. I think I’m getting better at scripting the acting of the people but I could SO much more with a budget. I’d love to have a go at producing a generated recreation of one of the real life experiments but doing it the way I’m working now would probably take months.
Anyway, what do you think of what I’ve got so far?
It will take a few days to put it together, but I’m slowly working on another version of the advertising video. I figure the better it is, the more people it might attract to our community. Right now, we need as many as we can get.
Mine’s using the North American location but I don’t get anything like that speed through it (Without the VPN I get 250-300Mbps).
It seems when it goes to the sales page for the paid VPN, just close the page and the free VPN is there working anyway. I think they’re pushing hard to get everyone onto the paid service.
The free one is very slow (around 50-100kps) but it works. Thanks!
I’ve reinstalled it. It tells me the VPN needs to be switched on, but pressing the on button on the VPN control pane just gives the message “VPN unavailable”.
There is a VPN button but when you press it it takes you to a pay to choose the plan and pay. There was no free option.
Would it be reasonable to hold a vote-off event specifically to raise money for video generation credits (probably with Pollo.ai)?
I don’t think an event would work until we’ve got more regulars, but it’s probably more realistic than attempting to increase the number of Patrons by around 50-60.
There was no trace of a free VPN. It just pushed a subscription one.
The Flicking Channels videos don’t really have a story (but they do have some recurring themes), so it’s less obvious with those.
I’m wondering how much nudity would be acceptible in the NSFW variant of these videos?
I’ve uploaded the next one (on the Flicking Channels page.) The NSFW one is going to need a new page in the age-restricted area. There isn’t a lot of nudity in it, but too much for the public area.
Another one posted at the link above.
I should upload the next two “Flicking Channels” videos and I’ve got a NSFW version too, if anyone’s interested?
That’s good to hear. Thanks!
I think I would struggle to faithfully follow a story which hasn’t been structured to fit with the video generation workflow. Also, male nudity is particularly expensive on credits (about 8x I reckon).
Maybe I should come up with some potential projects and find out from community members which are the most popular ideas?
I wish I could claim credit but about 98% of the effort is external. I just craft the prompts and put the results together in my video editor. When I’m let loose again with one that supports unrestricted nudity, MANY things will become possible.
I’m hoping to use what’s available in the meantime to drastically increase community membership so I can ultimately raise enough money to buy a month or two of credits to do more extravagant (and naked) projects.
Essentially I forgot to add it. But I’m not sure it would help the advertising effect of the video and there’s no requirement to label it on most platforms. It was just something I decided to do.
I didn’t realise Opera was still going. It used to be my main browser many years ago.
Thank you for letting me know. I’ll download it tonight.
Yes, but it’s cheaper to pay for a new ISP than to keep paying for my existing one AND a VPN on top. Although that depends on the price of the ISP.
Mind you, I might have to get a VPN anyway. The way things are going, we all will.
Rather than, in future, posting these videos in the forums, I’ve set aside a separate page for them here:
I wish. I did ask. 🙁
I will get to this, but haven’t been online much for the past two days. Maybe this weekend?
A group who already know each other. It seemed a couple of them were rather more enthusiastic than the other two. We hadn’t reached the interview stage, so I’d mostly spoken to the person who originally contacted me. I’d had a little contact on Teams with two of the others but hadn’t spoken enough to get a feel for how serious they were. The leader of the group seemed to assume she could talk the others into it…
I think the smaller group just dropped out, but the larger group is confident they are still on for May.
I’m looking at rewriting the experiment pages. There are a couple of new approaches I could use, but as the current approach isn’t really working, there’s not much to lose by trying something else. By changing tone and the way I “sell” the benefits, maybe I can get more people interested in taking part.
Of course, I also need to get more people coming here from other sites, but that needs to be tweaked to attract the sort of people who would be interested in taking part in the experiments, especially women.
I think I’m going to recreate the MDL results table with censored photos. Ultimately there will be links to the uncensored versions but, for now, I’m not sure how to address that. The uncensored version will clearly need to be behind the age-verification wall.
Just rewatched the video. Lots of room for improvement and I still cringe at the dialogue (will do better next time) but every time I come back to this, I think about the possibilities with this tech. Keeping things consistent is the biggest issue, but I’ve learnt ways to mostly keep that under control. With careful planning, all sorts of things are possible. I’m wondering about going back to the webcam video I did before and doing it again with speech.
I’m not getting any idea of how much interest there is in this. I realise it’s not for everyone but I’m considering creating a separate section of the site (so those not interested can just ignore it as it won’t be in the forums etc.).
Each time I’ve posted one of the videos on social media, it’s caused a spike in traffic here, so that’s useful.
I’ve lost track of how many versions of this site there have been, and none have fully worked, but I keep persevering. Does anyone remember “KeepItNice.com” (which I think was the first one?)
I’ve just checked. Firefox and Edge both give the same messed-up layout as Chrome for me. I don’t use Firefox much as it’s SO painfully slow (I know there’s something wrong with it, but several updates later – and a reinstall – and it’s still mega slow). I mostly use Edge and Chrome.
If I get time over the next couple of days, I might rework the audience clips (If the relevant AIs are in the mood to be helpful, of course!).
It looks like the “Like” addon is seriously messing up the forum layout now…
I was just thinking, another thing I’ve learned is not to have smoke in the background of any video.
So, presented below is the video which I could radically improve by generating the source material in full HD (expensive), needs a LOT more clips (expensive) to iron out glitches and unwanted elements and with a better script (sorry about the terrible script. I didn’t write it in advance but created dialogue on the fly for each 5 second clip). An engine like Pollo.ai or similar could also allow full nudity, which would be vital to produce videos following our nudity theme.Sorry the audience scenes don’t really match (don’t bother looking for the parents, they’re not there!). Due to a shortage of credits, I had to switch over to use Qwen to create the audience scenes. Unless you specify otherwise, it biases to one skin colour. I couldn’t recreate the clips as I’d run out of credits on Qwen too by that time.
The video below doesn’t cover the whole story, but I hope it gives a better idea of what is possible. Imagine this approach used on something like the first long-form video (with nudity, so it’s in the age-verified area).
If I’d known how difficult this was all those years ago, I probably would never have set up the community.
Glad it’s not just me. At least, I’m about 80% of the way back to health after the operation, which has been a miracle given the stress in the rest of my life. The only consolation is that the stress level is beginning to feel normal.
Hope your year gets better soon!
There’s now a video generator with half-decent audio on HuggingFace. It’s not hugely reliable yet, but I’m sure it will improve over time.
Looks like we’re on for May this year! I won’t reveal any details yet, but a report will be forthcoming afterwards. Better still there’s another smaller group interested too. It would be fantastic to get the experiments going again.
It seems to be the in phrase now. Nudity could be offensive, obscene, inappropriate but “harmful” seems impossible to me.
Hope everyone’s 2026 is going well so far?
It’s so annoying when you get the resulting clip almost perfect on the first or second go but then you’re still trying to get rid of messed-up speech or weird animation (stuff I can’t edit away) after another 6 attempts.
It all depends on what AI model you are using on Pollo. They have a huge range of them. Most are content-restricted and expensive but some of the cheaper ones are pretty good. The complication is that things keep varying so what works one month may not give the same results or offer the same options a month later. Wan 2.5 on Pollo used to work very well, but I haven’t used it in a few weeks. Pollo 2.5 was total cr*p last time I used it – bizarre distortion, random nonsense and completely inconsistent results. I’m hoping they’ve improved that.
I like the models which allow you to set a start frame and an end frame – that usually gives a LOT more control. You often need to turn the inference up too, and most of the models don’t give you control over that. I’ve found wording is SO important and you often need to specify when something is not doing anything or a person is not speaking just as much as the things or people who are active. Qwen isn’t bad and Grok is very good, but the nudity moderation is pretty strict on both of them (and about to get stricter, I imagine).
Of course, the addition of audio has complicated the entire field, but I’m not giving up yet. I swear all of them have good days and bad days too. Sometimes I can’t get a result on Qwen, but do on Grok or vice versa. Sometimes I end up saving a prompt and using it a day or two later when the AI is in a better mood.
I didn’t once have such a bad day getting videos out of Qwen that I used the prompt “A woman smiling at the camera” with no start frame image and the result got moderated.
Sometimes it feels like a video generator is trying to be infuriating. I tried a clip of a London cabbie telling a nudity-related joke:
- The first go was fine except the joke was too long and the last words were cut off. I reworded it and tried again.
- Go 2 was fine except, for some weird reason the London cab was bouncing all the way through as if someone heavy was repeatedly getting into the back. Added an instruction to keep the cab still.
- Go 3 – saw the back door slide open and then partially shut. That made no sense so I added an instruction to keep the doors shut. It was distracting and the cabbie’s performance wasn’t great.
- Go 4 – the driver’s door opened at the start and the cabbie was (unlike the 1st 4) facing the wrong way. Stipulated which way the cabbie should look and tried again.
- Go 5 – the cab moved perfectly, no doors opened, the cabbie looked at the camera and spoke total gibberish. No idea what he said.
- Go 6 – the cab rocked a little too much but not as badly as 2. Also, the driver’s door opened slightly, but the cabbie’s vocal performance was perfect. I try really hard not to spend too many credits on a single clip so I’m calling it a day there.
I feel that video could easily have been perfect on attempt 2. I’m sure a lot of people think you just tell it what you want and you get a perfect result first time. As I’m trying for more precise output, it’s taking a lot more work (and credits) to get there.
I’ll need to pay £100-200 per month to do these videos with proper uncensored nudity. We need a lot more people to become NE patrons to make that viable.
I’ve got an NSFW one on the way but any nudity is fleeting or minor and snuck through the moderation. If I directly prompt nudity, it gets reliably rejected.
Please post a comment if you’d like to see more of these.
Hmmm… odd. Wan 2.2 seems to be open to nudity and sensible movement again, but the image quality has dropped markedly. I wish I could get more affordable access to Wan 2.5/2.6. And end frames on it. That would be great.
Thank you!
I’m beginning to feel pressured to get a VPN.
And I certainly won’t be getting a subscription if the UK government is threatening to block X from the country.
I have to feel like I’m achieving something otherwise I’d go mad. After spending 10 days in hospital in November, I’ve been a lot less able to let time just slip by.
I’m trying to get a straight answer on whether Grok Spicy does or doesn’t allow NSFW content. Even their website says both.
Speech synchronisation is still a little wonky, and it varies from video to video. Some of it might be manually correctable with intensive video editing but I’m not going there.
Another advantage of these short clips is that the lack of consistency with voices isn’t a problem. If I create two video clips with the same characters in them, the AIs cannot be relied upon to be consistent with the voices produced.
Grok seems much more reliable on lip-sync than Qwen, but models are constantly being upgraded so that can change quickly.
All completely AI creations. Very detailed prompts, cherry-picking the results (I picked the best 20 videos out of 56 created), and an element of luck combined to generate these.
Unlike the previous couple of videos I worked on, these clips were created by Grok and Qwen, mostly via my mobile in spare moments. As I’ve spent a lot of time in hospital waiting rooms lately, it seemed like a good use of time when I don’t have my laptop available.
As I’ve (temporarily) given up on Pollo (trying to rebuild some credits), I had a mess around again with Grok imagine and Qwen. They’re both pretty well locked down when it comes to nudity, so I went down a different route (but still on topic):
It would be good if more people would consider sharing their stories.
My aim now is to get the momentum back up after the Christmas/New Year’s lull.
No problem!
I’m giving up for a while. I’m just getting hilarious results across several generators. Even using HuggingFace with the old reliable Wan 2.2 (with start + end frames) is acting up, largely ignoring prompts and doing its own mad things which don’t even end on the “end” frame. I don’t know what’s going on.