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Spent a chunk of my Sunday trying out video generation with audio. Qwen is too restricted. Grok is a little better but hard to control. Pollo has its issues but it’s easiest to control and has few restrictions. I’ve put together a 43 second video (from 4-5 second clips) with speech all the way through. It’s clunky (editing-wise)but I think it’s the best demonstration I’ve seen yet of what will be possible for us very soon.
The big question is, does anyone here want to see (and hear!) it?
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Yes 🙂
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Sorry for the delay. Had a bit of a messed up evening and didn’t get anything done.
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As I’ve (temporarily) given up on Pollo (trying to rebuild some credits), I had a mess around again with Grok imagine and Qwen. They’re both pretty well locked down when it comes to nudity, so I went down a different route (but still on topic):
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And being the Luddite that I am, that’s all AI? Bloody hell! Amazing.
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All completely AI creations. Very detailed prompts, cherry-picking the results (I picked the best 20 videos out of 56 created), and an element of luck combined to generate these.
Unlike the previous couple of videos I worked on, these clips were created by Grok and Qwen, mostly via my mobile in spare moments. As I’ve spent a lot of time in hospital waiting rooms lately, it seemed like a good use of time when I don’t have my laptop available.
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Tell me about it! If I added up all the endless hours I’ve spent waiting in hospital corridors and hospital waiting rooms since 2009, it’d run into weeks.
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I have to feel like I’m achieving something otherwise I’d go mad. After spending 10 days in hospital in November, I’ve been a lot less able to let time just slip by.
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The image quality is also excellent and the lip sync, though not 100% perfect, is as good as most videos on the web.
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Speech synchronisation is still a little wonky, and it varies from video to video. Some of it might be manually correctable with intensive video editing but I’m not going there.
Another advantage of these short clips is that the lack of consistency with voices isn’t a problem. If I create two video clips with the same characters in them, the AIs cannot be relied upon to be consistent with the voices produced.
Grok seems much more reliable on lip-sync than Qwen, but models are constantly being upgraded so that can change quickly.
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I’m trying to get a straight answer on whether Grok Spicy does or doesn’t allow NSFW content. Even their website says both.
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And I certainly won’t be getting a subscription if the UK government is threatening to block X from the country.
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I’m beginning to feel pressured to get a VPN.
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Please post a comment if you’d like to see more of these.
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I enjoy them. But would like to see them take their clothes off.
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I’ll need to pay £100-200 per month to do these videos with proper uncensored nudity. We need a lot more people to become NE patrons to make that viable.
I’ve got an NSFW one on the way but any nudity is fleeting or minor and snuck through the moderation. If I directly prompt nudity, it gets reliably rejected.
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Sometimes it feels like a video generator is trying to be infuriating. I tried a clip of a London cabbie telling a nudity-related joke:
- The first go was fine except the joke was too long and the last words were cut off. I reworded it and tried again.
- Go 2 was fine except, for some weird reason the London cab was bouncing all the way through as if someone heavy was repeatedly getting into the back. Added an instruction to keep the cab still.
- Go 3 – saw the back door slide open and then partially shut. That made no sense so I added an instruction to keep the doors shut. It was distracting and the cabbie’s performance wasn’t great.
- Go 4 – the driver’s door opened at the start and the cabbie was (unlike the 1st 4) facing the wrong way. Stipulated which way the cabbie should look and tried again.
- Go 5 – the cab moved perfectly, no doors opened, the cabbie looked at the camera and spoke total gibberish. No idea what he said.
- Go 6 – the cab rocked a little too much but not as badly as 2. Also, the driver’s door opened slightly, but the cabbie’s vocal performance was perfect. I try really hard not to spend too many credits on a single clip so I’m calling it a day there.
I feel that video could easily have been perfect on attempt 2. I’m sure a lot of people think you just tell it what you want and you get a perfect result first time. As I’m trying for more precise output, it’s taking a lot more work (and credits) to get there.
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I’ve tried using Pollo to make video and to be honest, it’s pretty rubbish. I only have a free account and log in frequently to pick up free credits, but I’m getting to the stage of giving up now.
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It all depends on what AI model you are using on Pollo. They have a huge range of them. Most are content-restricted and expensive but some of the cheaper ones are pretty good. The complication is that things keep varying so what works one month may not give the same results or offer the same options a month later. Wan 2.5 on Pollo used to work very well, but I haven’t used it in a few weeks. Pollo 2.5 was total cr*p last time I used it – bizarre distortion, random nonsense and completely inconsistent results. I’m hoping they’ve improved that.
I like the models which allow you to set a start frame and an end frame – that usually gives a LOT more control. You often need to turn the inference up too, and most of the models don’t give you control over that. I’ve found wording is SO important and you often need to specify when something is not doing anything or a person is not speaking just as much as the things or people who are active. Qwen isn’t bad and Grok is very good, but the nudity moderation is pretty strict on both of them (and about to get stricter, I imagine).
Of course, the addition of audio has complicated the entire field, but I’m not giving up yet. I swear all of them have good days and bad days too. Sometimes I can’t get a result on Qwen, but do on Grok or vice versa. Sometimes I end up saving a prompt and using it a day or two later when the AI is in a better mood.
I didn’t once have such a bad day getting videos out of Qwen that I used the prompt “A woman smiling at the camera” with no start frame image and the result got moderated.
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It’s so annoying when you get the resulting clip almost perfect on the first or second go but then you’re still trying to get rid of messed-up speech or weird animation (stuff I can’t edit away) after another 6 attempts.
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There’s now a video generator with half-decent audio on HuggingFace. It’s not hugely reliable yet, but I’m sure it will improve over time.
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Rather than, in future, posting these videos in the forums, I’ve set aside a separate page for them here:
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Another one posted at the link above.
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Would it be reasonable to hold a vote-off event specifically to raise money for video generation credits (probably with Pollo.ai)?
I don’t think an event would work until we’ve got more regulars, but it’s probably more realistic than attempting to increase the number of Patrons by around 50-60.
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It will take a few days to put it together, but I’m slowly working on another version of the advertising video. I figure the better it is, the more people it might attract to our community. Right now, we need as many as we can get.
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Just uploaded another “Flicking Channels” video on the dedicated page:
I won’t be posting them directly in the forum.
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In case you’re wondering why the resolution of the clips varies, I’m using a combination of several AI systems to generate them. They all produce different resolutions and frame rates.
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I’m getting the feeling that to progress further (done around 200 successful clips now – and no I haven’t posted them all). I think to progress further I need higher-resolution generation and access to unmoderated nudity. I have no way to know how popular that would be??
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Did you manage to solve the age verification problem? That will be needed before those new clips can be useful.
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No. Haven’t had time to work on it. I also haven’t worked on any clips this week. I’ve got a few “Flicking Channels” videos in reserve but there hasn’t been huge demand for them. Comedy has been more prevalent in the most recent ones but I haven’t put them up yet.
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There are also a couple more NSFW ones too. It’s really hard to measure the level of interest in any of these.
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I’ve just been looking through some of the video clips which didn’t go so well. Most were just junk and didn’t get saved, but a few are hilarious and I kept them. Having seen the collection all at once, it’s great fun. I might do a video of all those clips too, like a sort of bloopers real.
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I’m not sure what’s changed but in the past two days, I’ve been finding that the generation limits on almost all the generators has drastically dropped. Instead of getting 25-40 (ish) goes per day, I’m lucky to get 3 now. Grok is only allowing me to do ONE per day.
Developing new techniques and better output is going to go REALLY slowly while that’s in place. Maybe I’ve hit some monthly limit as well as the daily limits, but it’s also possible they’ve all cut the freebies they offer permanently.
I’ve got a few clip videos in reserve but producing new ones isn’t really viable now.
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I’ve had two days now of a zero limit (ie not even one picture generation) on Grok. With the two others I use too, I’m getting enough credits to produce 4 videos per day, in total. With that limit, I’ll struggle to get one finished video per day out of it.
With at best unclear levels of interest in the results, it was fun while it lasted, but I can’t see a future in these. I was looking forward to being to produce videos of many and varied nudity-including situations. One idea was to create a second Patreon account for just the videos but I just don’t think enough people are interested for such a channel to be viable (the cost would far outweigh the turnover).
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I think the idea is cool. It makes sense to have some explainer videos for the sort of things the site is about but I don’t think it should ever become the main video content from the site in any form. I think it takes away from the realness of the site. If people see it’s all just ai content being posted it probably becomes less interesting.
For me at least I prefer preoes real stories behind an event or a personal thing they did. If the ai was linked to that for people that didn’t want to share videos then fair enough but I don’t really enjoy ai content that much in any genre of life
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My fundamental problem is it’s that video content or no video content. The community has had a lot more visitors when I’ve got some videos to post on social media etc. (about 3x). I haven’t posted any for a few weeks now and traffic is way down again.
Just male nudity puts people off the site. Male video content is not popular. Also, too much male-only content puts women off staying here. It’s near impossible to get women to post and, often, when they do they ask me to remove what they’ve posted within a few weeks.
Fundamentally, I don’t have the budget to make this work and I’m not going to get the budget while it’s not working. I don’t know how to get out of that vicious circle…
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Also, I thought it would be an interesting and fun way to raise some points, causes a smile or two and highlight some nudity-related issues.
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I miss creating those videos. They were fun.
I’m wondering if it would be possible in future to create another website which features the videos and sends some of the generated traffic back here?
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Would anyone be interested in such a site?
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Why another site? Just post them on this site unless you need a site that is video optimized?
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A few people have complained that they are not appropriate to this site and that they don’t like computer-generated content. Given the relatively tiny amount of feedback I’ve had, the complaints have made up more than half the feedback so far.
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My $0.02
I thought the generated video content was fun (I suspect we can see your preference for women….most have huge boobs! 😅). I know they take/took a long time to create (I wouldn’t even know where to begin), I thought they conveyed what the site should be about, but I don’t know if they increased site traffic?
Why would anyone complain about them? That I don’t understand.
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I just don’t have the credits to get naked men. Currently I’m producing around 3 videos per day, that gives me 1 suitable video (ie good enough quality) every 1-2 days. Male nudity has a much lower hit rate.
Breast size (rather like pubic hair) is VERY difficult to control. Mostly the AIs ignore you. The default seems to be large-breasted white women with almost no pubic hair. I use the term “average-looking” a lot to stop the usual super-model faces they like to create.
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The videos were good on social networks (and Patreon) for generating visitors to the site. They certainly also got a lot of views on this site, but didn’t trigger the comments etc. I was hoping for. I’ve tried to keep them on-topic and entertaining (funny, thought-provoking, etc.), but now Grok has begun charging an insane amount, some others have gone and I’m not currently buying credits on any of them, producing videos longer than around 6 seconds isn’t practical.
Maybe I should have grouped them by topic and asked a question with each post to get some discussion going? (Not sure how the purely humorous ones would fit with that?)
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Also, naked women are simply more popular on the site. I’ve been told there are two psychological reasons for this:
1) Men prefer to see naked women rather than naked men.
2) Women prefer to see themselves in the situation, so a naked woman is easier to work with for that.
Many reports from women over the years confirm that women don’t have the same level of interest in naked men that men have in naked women.
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I should do a poll on this issue, shouldn’t I?
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I have hundreds of men that have requested to be my friend on a different platform so they can see me Naked. I would not discount men Wanting to see men nude. It’s a much larger quantity than you would think. It’s interesting that many claim to be bi or straight in their profile.
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I’ve measured it repeatedly across 3 incarnations of the site. An increase in male nudity causes a dive in visitors, and also causes existing regulars to leave.
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There’s your answer then, based on actual facts.
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With hundreds of men wanting to see you naked (each to their own), have you considered that this may not be the site for you?
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@Ed Based on feedback above please delete all of my threads and delete my photos and my account from the website…
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Ed: Many reports from women over the years confirm that women don’t have the same level of interest in naked men that men have in naked women.
And yet, according to DuckDuckGo:
Audience Demographics for The Full Monty
General AppealThe Full Monty has a significant appeal among women, particularly during live performances and male strip shows inspired by the story. This trend is evident in various reviews and audience experiences.
Female Audience EngagementPredominantly Female Audiences: Many performances attract a largely female crowd, often described as enthusiastic and engaged.
“Girls’ Night Out”: The show is frequently chosen for outings among groups of women, emphasizing its popularity in female social settings.Audience Reactions
Enthusiastic Responses: Female audiences often respond with cheers and excitement, indicating a strong connection to the themes and humor presented in the show.
Community and Interaction: Attending The Full Monty allows women to bond and interact in a friendly environment, enhancing their overall experience.In summary, The Full Monty primarily attracts a female audience, making it a favored choice for social gatherings among women.
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The full monty is not about men being naked.
The full monty is a story about a journey, the strip is a tiny part of the story which is much more about the lives and feelings of the people taking part.
The full monty is a bit of fun with multiple men.
Yes we’ve all seen those bachelorette party videos at clubs but again it’s a part of a whole night out and again both are more of a group setting thing to watch not a sit down and find it on the internet type thing.
Does raise the question would a full monty style video with a a few members together be something which would bring innl visitors. I guess though it would need the story of the people taking part. How they feel getting naked on a stage and how it feels doing it in front of an audience or even just with the other people on stage. I assume a stage would be an expensive hire cost too.
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I think the women visiting the site are not here to see naked men. I think many (not all, obviously) are here to explore the fantasy of being naked. Most don’t want to do any more than fantasise. I’ve spoken to dozens of them over the years and it’s pretty much universal that too much male nudity puts them off (some have described it as scary) and makes them feel unwelcome.
I haven’t spoken to a single woman here who came to see men naked.
Also, watching a male striptease is substantially different to seeing lots of photos of naked men.
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You’ve nailed it. The women I’ve been in contact with (sadly only a few) on various iterations of the site have all visited to explore the feelings of being naked, and exploring fantasies about naked scenarios, none of which involve nude men.
I enjoy the forums, I enjoy the DMs.
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I’m definitely keeping the forums as the core of the community.
Does anyone remember the groups system (instead of forums) we had when this community first started?
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I’ll take that as a no!
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I liked the talkies, I wasn’t sure they should be the main content on the site but if they are in section on the site clearly labelled as AI generated content I think it it would be good to have the videos here.
It keeps everything in one place and if you make it a bit like the old community site where it had a slightly different address so people could head directly and not to thebmain forums to start there it might drive up more traffic to that part of the site.
Have a forum there too but keep it specifically about the ai content no personal pictures allowed make it a safe space for people to check the content and delve in the fantasy of being naked more. We all know that from the BBC’s admissions and programme changed over the years people tend to watch stuff they feel represented in. So having female content even Ai is probably a good thing for the site.
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Having given it a little more thought, I don’t think having another site is a good idea. I’m already spread too thin and maintenance and updating of yet another site is just too much.
For now, I’ll stick with the existing two pages dedicated to the generated videos and tend to keep them off the rest of the site (apart from the intro video obviously).
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Has everyone seen the generated video section (2 pages)?
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