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Functionally, the layout works well.
I’m not so sure about the colour scheme though.
- My initial impression was that it looks a bit garish
- In particular the dark orange background of panels like Latest Forum Activity provides poor contrast for the black text eg <span class=”pg-la-freshness”>4 days ago</span> making it very hard to read.
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This is tricky. One of the reasons I picked orange instead of blue, green or yellow, was that it gave better contrast with the black text. The blue and green were particularly fuzzy for me. Also it needs to be something which tones in with the other colours (orange buttons etc. – which also need to vividly stand out)
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Can we put recent posts back to the top please? If I was last on a long thread and log in again, I have to scroll down the entire thread to find what’s been posted recently, who’s online etc
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@ed: “people keep asking me to add a pane thatās already there”
That’s probably due to them using a mobile phone, and nothing to do with the colour scheme. On desktop, those panels appear in the rightmost column, where it ought to be obvious. But on mobiles, you have to scroll right down past the last reply (which takes absolutely ages on a thread like this one) before you even get to those panels.
“One of the reasons I picked orange instead of blue, green or yellow, was that it gave better contrast with the black text”
Currently, the black text is very close to illegible against the dark orange background. Black on yellow is well known for being the most legible colour combination there is — but you can’t (or at least, shouldn’t) put white text on a yellow background.
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I can’t just choose colours. I can only choose between preset colour schemes. To elaborate, I cannot change individual colours, just pick a scheme which recolours the entire box.
If bright orange is too dark, I have limited options as that’s middle brightness. I’ve tried blue (same brightness level but different hue). Is that better? Personally I think it clashes.
Actually, I’ve set eight of the right column boxes to different bright colours to show the options. From top to bottom they are Blue, Lime, Crimson, Pink, Teak, Purple, Violet, Green & Purple. Ones I haven’t used yet are: Yellow, Transparent, Red and all the dark colours (brown, charcoal etc.).
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@ed: “Is the orange not considerably brighter than the black on your screen?”
No, that’s the problem. On my windows 10 desktop, it’s not much lighter than the black.
I’ve since retried this on a new windows 11 laptop. It has given the same result, even after performing colour calibration (that confirmed it was already correctly colour calibrated).
My rule of thumb is that to be properly legible:
- black text should never appear against a tint of more than 30% of any colour other than yellow
- white text should never appear against yellow or a tint of less than 70% of any dark colour
- there is no possible background colour which provides optimum legibility for black and white text. Anything between 30% and 70% will always have limited legibility and a background cannot be less than 30% and more than 70% at the same time
- most colours other than black or white are best displayed on a white background. Yellow text is best displayed on a black backgroun.
- but whatever the background colour is, it cannot simultaneously be less than 30% and more than 70%. So trying to display black and white text together against a single colour cannot give optimum results
“Iāve set eight of the right column boxes to different bright colours to show the options.”
My impression, with the better choices in bold:
- The blue is working fine, but would not work if it had any black text in it
- The lime just about works, but would probably not work with white text
- Crimson works fine with its white text, but would not be good for black
- Pink would work better with black text if it was a lighter shade
- Teal would work better with black text if it was a much lighter shade
- Purple is great for white text, but would not work with black
- Violet is g
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@ed: “What do you think of the yellow then?”
I saw it a few minutes ago, and it looked OK but the post titles had mysteriously lost their bold attribute.
Now I look again and the bold is back, but the text has turned grey (rgb(85, 85, 85) instead of true black.
“Thatās a level of control I donāt have. All I can pick is a colour scheme.”
If I understand https://op111.net/posts/2008/08/wordpress-child-themes/ correctly, it should only require a style.css with an @import statement and a line or two of css for any element you want to change.
But probably best to just go with the yellow (or whatever other colour is agreed) to get the new site launched, and then think about more detailed tweaks when the dust has settled.
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I’ve had very bad experiences with child themes and CSS is near impossible to set up if you didn’t create the original theme. I find components are never named properly so you can’t separate out what you need.
I’m not getting involved in that. It’s complicated enough as it is without the hair-tearing experience of messing with CSS.
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I shouldn’t really be talking about the colour scheme of the right column boxes here as this thread is about the forum, but it would be good to get more feedback about the yellow colour. Does it work? Can you read it? Does it stand out (ie catch your attention)?
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Those boxes are supposed to be attention-grabbing. They should really stand out. That’s why I picked the bright orange colour before. I didn’t expect any problems seeing the text. My laptop has an excellent screen but my external monitor is Pantone certified. The black text on bright orange was perfectly clear on both screens. It was even clearer on my phone but that’s because the pixels are smaller on my phone and the buttons are shown oversized.
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For me, the clearest one to read is probably the one for ārecent postsā (white text on purple(?) background). The original black-on-fake-tan scheme was also readable on my screen, but I do have it turned up quite bright. If youāre looking for a colour scheme for the site, where do most people get naked? I havenāt been counting but I imagine itās out in the garden or woods, so something rural could work. Otherwise the colours in āundressing Gabyā could work well (and poor Gaby would have another claim to fame š)
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<p style=”text-align: left;”>To be honest to miss the orange. All the boxes are easy enough to read with all the colours in the background but the Orange feels like it keeps a link to history from before. The other boxes stand out bit the feel forced and not natural part of the site.</p>
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